Sep 24, 2024
00:02 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
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00:27 - Intro (Announcement)
It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level.These are the premier business owner strategies and successes beingutilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your businesslike a boss a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host, nnGanguza.
00:46 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Hey everyone, Welcome to the VO Boss Podcast. I'm your host, AnneGanguza, and I am delighted to bring back to the show for our RealBoss series, Mr Tom Deere. Hi, Hi.
00:58 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Tom Hi, hi hi.
00:59 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Hi Tom Dheere, Real Boss, Tom Dheere.
01:01 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, Real Boss and Ganguza. Always great to talk to you.
01:05 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
You too. You know, tom, it's been a week. Oh yeah, yeah, it's beena week, for some reason. I gave a couple of workshops and I'vetalked to a few people that have just started out in this industryand a few people that have been in the industry for a couple ofyears, and I constantly I know you hear this all the time becauseyou're the VO strategist I constantly get people who are just sofrustrated and they can't get work and they want to give up, and Idon't know how many times I can say it's hard, guys. I mean, itjust is hard. The work doesn't just come easily, and I feel asthough we need to spread some encouragement out there for thosebosses who are wondering what's going on. What did I just do? Am Iembarking on a career and I'm not seeing any work comingin?
01:53 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
But I think we need to maybe get real, tom yeah, and talk to ourbosses, okay, well, the first thing I want to say on that is thatfor those of you who have put more than one cent, more than zerocents, into trying to become a voice actor,congratulations.
02:13 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah.
02:14 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
You should be Absolutely Praised and applauded for putting outmoney and money. You know money is money. Money is obviously whatit is, but it's also what it represents. Spending money alwaysrepresents an investment of some kind, whether it's buying a pieceof bubble gum or a new car. Is that you're investing in this thingthat you hope will make you happier or make your life easier ormove your life forward in some way. So that's encouragement nuggetnumber one. Be proud of yourself. Be proud of yourself that you'rewatching this video at all bosses. Be proud that you're taking thetime out of your very busy day to learn ways to move your voiceoverbusiness forward. So just the fact that you're listening to this atall should be applauded.
02:59 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And even if we back up further, I mean, first of all,congratulations on actually taking the step to being anentrepreneur. I mean, really, that's like step number one is thatyou had to make a decision, that you wanted to go into business foryourself, and that is something that the majority of people don'tdo. And so for those that do, take that leap of faith and say I amgoing to start a business, that is to be commended. That is to becommended. It takes bravery, it takes courage and, again, as Tomsaid, with the investment, that's a risk. So right now, right offthe bat, you've taken risks that you're not quite sure if they'regoing to pay off or not.
03:37 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Right, and Anne and I will not blow sunshine up your nose and tellyou that everybody who works with us or wants to be a voice actorhas a 100% chance of becoming a voice actor, because that's justnot the reality. But Anne and I do everything in our power to setyou up for success so you can make all of your dreams come true ofbeing whatever kind of voice actor is your perfect voice over day,whether it's an e-learning narrator or a cartoon narrator or anaudiobook narrator or what have you. But putting yourself out thereand saying, I'm going to take this risk, I mean you should becommended on an internal level that you've made that decision. Buthere's the other thing and I have a lot of experience with this isall of the external factors that are telling you not to do it andyou're like, screw you guys. I'm going to be a voice actor BecauseI had a lot of people in my life, professionally and personally,who didn't understand what I was trying to do Me too and didn'trespect what I was trying to do and would mock me behind my backand to my face.
04:40
I remember I was a head host at the time the busiest Applebee's inthe world and would mock me behind my back and to my face. Iremember I was a head host at the time the busiest Applebee's inthe world and I was the guy that ran the door and would getscreamed at by everybody for how long it would take for them to geta table and I had some representation. I was booking work here andthere, but not enough to leave my full-time job and a hater fellowemployee got on the PA in the middle of a busy shift and said Tom,your agent's on line one and your mommy's on line two.
05:11
Click Ha ha, ha, ha ha. Yeah, that actually happened. I'm getting alittle PTSD.
05:19 - Intro (Announcement)
You know what I mean. There's a lot of haters out there.
05:21 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
There's a lot of people who are jealous because you are trying tomake your dreams come true and either their dreams haven't cometrue or they don't have any dreams at all.
05:30 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I love that you brought that up, tom. That's a really lovelyperspective Because you're right, just that beginning step, takingthat leap of faith and doing something when people assume thatprobably no, that's not going to work for you, and I think we'veall encountered it. So, now that you've taken that step, right now,tom and I are here to encourage you, if it suits you, to encourageyou not to give up, because, god, tom, it's hard, it's hard, it'shard, it's not easy. Does it get easier, tom? I don't know. I don'tknow.
06:00 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
No, it doesn't get any easier, Anne. It just becomes differenttypes of hard. We've talked about this in previous videos, but thechallenges that you have when you're early in your voiceoverjourney, which is I think, those are the toughest sometimes. Theyare the toughest because they play with your brain. They mess withyour head.
06:16 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
They mess with your head.
06:16 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
They mess with your head of? Do I have the ability to make moneytelling stories, which is really essentially what this is, which isthe same problem that actors, stage and theater and on-cameraactors have. It's the same problem that musicians have. Musiciansare storytellers, you know, all forms of actors are storytellers.Can I make money telling stories? That's really what it comes downto, and many are called, few are chosen, but many are called. Fewmake the right choices and you, as VO bosses listening to this, aremaking the right choices.
06:54 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Few of them stick around right To discover that they did make agood choice. Right, because if you give up too soon, you neverknow. Right, and again I'll say, the departure from, let's say,corporate is huge. For this right, there's no stable paycheckcoming in, and so I think that's a huge sticker shock for peoplebecause it's like well, all right, I've done the work, I've paidfor coaching, I've got this great demo. Now where's thework?
07:22
And so you're not finished yet, right, that's just the first part,just the first part of your journey is the actual training and thenthe demo creation, and then, of course, you should always keep upyour training, because things change and evolve and you always wantto get better. But that's only the very beginning of yourentrepreneurship and the beginning of your business. And so, as wementioned, it does play with your head in the beginning, because alot of times you're questioning well, do I have what it takes? Am Italented enough? Why am I not getting work? And so you really haveto now, if you haven't gotten the proper coaching right, If youhaven't spent more than oh, my goodness, I'm going to say you needto spend more than five or six hours coaching with someone beforeyou can really embark on a successful voiceover journey. And we'vesaid that over and over again but, also performance-wise, but alsobusiness-wise.
08:10
I mean, thomas, what you do? You help people set up businesses,like all the time. That's what you do, and so that is also a steeplearning curve.
08:18 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
It is a steep learning curve. I think one of the biggest challengesfor people entering the voiceover industry is that they don't knowwhat they don't know and they need to know. What do I need to havein place to start my voiceover business? So I talk about the fourpillars. Every structure needs a solid foundation and in voiceoverit's exactly what Anne said Quality training, a professionallyproduced demo, a setup, vetted home recording studio. And then thatfourth pillar is a website, which that's a whole othervideo.
08:50 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, it's another podcast episode too.
08:52 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, that's another podcast episode right there. But to have thosefour pillars in place is critical. But the concrete that you pour,that is that foundation, is the business sense, the businessacumen, the business plan. You can have the best demo in the world,but if you don't have a plan to market it effectively, the demodoesn't matter.
09:13 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And if nobody hears it, they can't buy.
09:15 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, you could have the best website in the world, but if youcan't get anybody to it, it doesn't matter. So think about that. Somany voice actors coming and put the cart before the horse. Theydecide they want to be a voice actor and then start buying amicrophone or jumping on TikTok and making videos and it's likethose things are important. But there's an order to do this,because the fact that you, as VO bosses, know what the basics are,what the foundation is training, demos, website, home recording andthen pour the concrete of the business and then you can build thehouse, build the structure, build the business aroundthat.
09:49
Having those things, now you know, are they perfect when you startout? No, do you sometimes need to start over again? Yes, you knowwhat's the carpenter's rule Measure twice, cut once. A lot of timesyou don't do that, you just dive in with the buzzsaw and hope goodthings happen. So be encouraged if you have gotten training. Beencouraged if you've produced a demo with Anne or another greatcoach. Be encouraged if you've built the website. Be encouraged ifyou've got the basics of a home recording studio. If you've gotthat in place now you can start to really build and grow and makeaccurate assessments about who you are in the voiceover industryand how you're doing.
10:26 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Absolutely, absolutely. And again, it takes that perseverance tounderstand that it's coming and it's not going to happen overnight.That overnight success took what? Over 10 years tocultivate.
10:41
In that respect, and I think about all of the people who I've knownthat have stuck it out and have grown. I've seen them grow in theindustry, people that are just hot today in the voiceover industrybecause we've been gosh Tom, you and I have been around for awhile. So I've seen people who when they started out, I was withthem when they started out, as maybe they were a peep or maybe Iworked with them a long time ago, and I'm not saying it's just me,but I mean I've had students that I've seen really stick it out,progress, do the work, and I've really seen them come into theirown. But it did not happen in a year, two years. A lot of them havebeen on a journey for five, six, seven years and it's wonderful tosee them really shine.
11:24
And I can name a few of people that I've seen shine. The other day,jen Henry right, I saw she got SAG-AFTRA status. And so there's JenHenry, there's Stefan Johnson, there's Tawny Plattis, who have beenat this for years, making content and not necessarily going outthere and saying hire me, I'm a voice actor, but doing their thingand creating so much content so that it got their name out thereright, and it got them noticed and then it got them hired,yeah.
11:53 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
We have to mention Danielle Fanball.
11:54 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Oh, absolutely Danielle. I mean of course as well.
11:57 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
She was a student of mine a few years ago and she has just gone onto be a force in the voiceover industry, getting a high-qualityrepresentation, working with tons of clients and all kinds of greatprojects. She's a perfect example of that as someone who came intothe industry hungry, open-minded. She just knocked my socks off,she knocked my socks off.
12:17 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And, as a matter of fact, we're doing guys if you haven't checkedit out the Boss Money series with Danielle. She is not only supertalented, voiceover wise, but she's got a very savvy business mind.And we do a series on just talking about money, because that isanother point where people can sabotage themselves in the wholemoney area, absolutely.
12:36 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Here's the thing about that, anne, is that your relationship withmoney is critical to your success as a voice actor. And I don'tjust mean having it, I mean having it is obviously important toinvest and reinvest in your voiceover.
12:46 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And I'm glad you're speaking about it.
12:48 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, some people were trained to hate money, some people weretrained to be afraid of money, some people were trained to covetmoney. Some people were trained to not care about money in thehouse, at school, at their place of worship, among their friendsand relatives. And so often you're fighting against the tide of allthe preconceived notions that you have about the voiceover industryand about money. Here's the biggest one, anne, is that employeeswork for money. Yeah, absolutely, self-employed voice actors makemoney, work for them. That's Robert Kiyosaki, rich.
13:25 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Dad, Poor Dad stuff. I love that.
13:26 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Learn to make your money work for you and with you. Learn to have asynergistic relationship with money and your attitude about moneywhen it comes to, obviously, spending it, making it and, mostimportantly, how to save and invest it in your voiceover career. Ona short-term level, you know training, which is also a form oflong-term, but also on a long-term, like investing in retirementand long-term investment plans and things like that. So if you areeducating yourself, bosses, on what it means to have, make andspend and invest money, you are setting yourself up for success.So, any class you can take with me or with Anne, or any YouTubevideo that you can watch about investing, empower yourself. Ohmy.
14:10 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
God, and that's the biggest thing, how to empower yourself. And Ifeel like compelled, as I'm thinking of this, to offer moreexamples. Christina Milizia, as I'm thinking of this, to offer moreexamples. Christina Milizia gosh, talented from the get-go. I mean,she's been doing voiceover for gosh. How many years? 30 years, over30 years.
14:28 - Intro (Announcement)
A long time.
14:28 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, I know that she always had her sights set on being inanimation and she really has taken off, but it took her many, manyyears to get there and she was super talented from the get-go. So,christina Melissa, lila Berzins I mean my gosh, I remember talkingto Lila. She was a peep of mine a long time ago and she was just sotalented and yet she was always wondering how can I get work, howcan I get work? How can I get work and she's so talented? And now,man, she's like so hot and all these people that I'm just so happyfor that. They had the gumption to just keep pushing forward, keepdoing the work, keep marketing and just keep plugging away andultimately finding their way in this industry so that they'rereally reaping the rewards and the benefits.
15:15 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
What all of these fabulous voice actors that you mentioned just nowhave in common is that they're hungry, they're persistent andthey're consistent. Yes, absolutely To be consistent in thevoiceover industry with your efforts. You need to be relentless.The voiceover industry does not care how tired you are.
15:33 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Absolutely.
15:36 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
They don't care what's going on in your life.
15:37 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
It doesn't care about the drama in your life. It reallydoesn't.
15:40 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Nope, nope, nope, nope. You either have to learn to put the dramaaside or use whatever energy that you get from the drama that'sgoing on in your life and learn how to channel it into somethingpositive or at least consistent. Like I have anxiety. Yeah, I havediagnosed anxiety and I have turned it into a superpower. Anxietyis the fear of not knowing what's going to happen next. You worryand fret about whatever usually social, interpersonal situations orthings like that. But as a result of me getting lots and lots ofgreat therapy and just being around and sticking around, I'velearned how to turn my anxiety into a superpower, because I'mprepared for everything.
16:22
I'm a firm advocate of Murphy's law Anything that can go wrong willgo wrong. So I have all of these tools logistical, physical,environmental, financial, mental, emotional, psychological toanticipate any problems that may arise in my voiceover career, andI am prepared. So if the worst thing that I can think of happensand I'm ready for it it and I am prepared. So if the worst thingthat I can think of happens, and I'm ready for it, it's going to beokay. So I turned a disadvantage of mine into an advantage, and youcan do that too. All of you can do that too. All of you have yourown hangups, anxieties, worries, fears, physical or mental orpsychological challenges, but you can either figure out how toovercome them, set them aside or harness them, use them to enhanceyour voiceover career and enhance your efforts and yourresults.
17:07 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And I think also too, is be aware. Be aware of the industry. Imean, be aware of trends in the industry, and not just trends invoiceover industry, but be aware of customers who want to purchaseyour voice. Be aware of what they want, be aware of what theirneeds are and really take some time to investigate.
17:24
I don't know many people that take it upon themselves toinvestigate the market right. So many people are like I've got agreat commercial demo, I've got a great animation demo, I've got agreat oh gosh. If I could give a nickel for the time somebody saidI want to do museum tours, if I could give a nickel for the timesomebody said I want to do museum tours or I want to do history.But I implore you, I implore you bosses and I'm not saying youcan't do museum tours or be history documentarian I implore you tounderstand the market size, okay, of how many museums are there,and I'm just using this as an example how many museums are thereright in the United States and, by the way, I Googled this just theother day there's about 35,000.
18:03 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Okay, I was just about to Google that. Thanks for doing thework.
18:05 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
So how often are there new exhibits that might require voiceover?Okay, not that often, because there's a season for exhibits rightin museums A lot of times. It's historical, it's been there foreverand probably they've got a voice that has been the voice andthey've got that system that you put on the headphones and they'vehad a voiceover there and so they probably don't need to change itif the history hasn't changed, right about it.
18:32
And so if you put all those things together and you say okay, sohow many opportunities do I have to become a narrator for museumtours? Right, that's not a huge market compared to again, I alwaystell people corporate, because that's my shtick but corporate 30.4million registered companies. They all need to sell a product. Theyall need to train somebody on that product and or a customer onthat product. They need to train their internal staff on safetypolicies and HR procedures and also how to sell their product. Sothat's a lot of opportunities. So if you want to know why workisn't coming your way and maybe you've spent all of your money onjust the smaller markets, consider really investing time. Itdoesn't take a lot right to investigate the market for things. AllI did was Google how many museums are there in the United Statesand then think about it how often are they going to need avoice?
19:25 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yeah, one thing that a lot of voice actors do early in theirjourney is disqualify themselves from work that doesn't seem toappeal to them because they only want to do this one thing, yeah,yeah, yeah. The strain of voice actors who want to do the museumtours. I call them PBS voice actors.
19:41 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yes, there's so many of them. I'm a PBS person too, metoo.
19:44 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
I watch PBS all the time. We adore it. But those that areinterested in the intellectual, historical artisticdocumentaries.
19:52 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
How many documentaries are there? I've done that Google searchAlso.
19:54 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Very, very few yeah yeah, right, but it also applies to the cartoonand animation voice actors that are out there.
20:01 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
20:02 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
This is another one.
20:03 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
And now, not only how many animation shows are there, then you'vegot to think about who hires people to do animation shows. Right,that's typically broadcast, right? Broadcast, you know, on the airor streaming.
20:14 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Or streaming or streaming right.
20:16 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
But again, those amount of companies that we'll hire are finite,right? 25,000 networks I think you have to Google me and check me,but I did that research as well 25,000 networks, again, compared tothe amount of companies out there who have a product to sell,right. Right 25,000 is nothing. And again, remember, they mightalready have a voice. They maybe aren't looking for a new voice,and so, when those opportunities come around and evolve, those arethe ones you'll audition for, along with all the other people whowant to do animation.
20:48
I could do corporate narration that talks about the history of acompany. Right, it's similar. It's similar. It may not be exactlythe same, but it can feel similar. A lot of corporate documentariesare lovely if they've got good writing, but think of those othermarkets that are larger and will give you moreopportunities.
21:15 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Yes, I always tell my students that all voice acting isstorytelling. All genres of voice acting are storytelling. Allstories have a beginning, a middle, an end, an arc and a message,whether it's a cartoon character or it's hours of corporatenarration.
21:31 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Absolutely, or even an e-learning lesson. Every lesson has anintroduction, points to the lesson and a conclusion.
21:37 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
I approach all of my voiceover work and I do a lot of differentgenres. Like every week I'm doing political explainer, corporatecommercial. I'm doing all kinds of genres every week. I approachall of them from a position of play and a position of storytelling.So people are like, oh you know, but the HR stuff is boring and I'mlike you know what so is being hungry, so I find the joy init.
22:01 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
You have to find the joy in it, because if you find the joy in it,the people that are listening to you will also be inspired andmotivated.
22:07 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Right. So here's something I've learned recently, anne becausewe're talking about how to motivate our bosses is that I havelearned that there are between intrinsic motivators and extrinsicmotivators. So you want to find intrinsic and extrinsic motivatorsto get you to do the things that you need to do to move yourvoiceover business forward. So, like an extrinsic motivator is, ifI do five auditions, I'll give myself a cookie, because you mayhave trouble being motivated to do auditions, for whateverreason.
22:34 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Well, I couldn't be giving myself a cookie.
22:36 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Well, no well, you just lost all that, Maybe an article of clothingor a lipstick?
22:39 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I'm not sure.
22:40 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Fine, that's an and thing or whatever, or it's an action figure ora comic book or whatever. So find, if you need some kind of carrotto be able to motivate yourself to do a task, whatever it isvoiceover related, whether it's auditions or invoicing or anythingelse. And then there's intrinsic motivators. What can you findwithin yourself to make the task more pleasurable? You know like,for example, I'm going to give you the worst, dumbest example inthe world is that there's this Disney short. Remember the Disneyshorts when we were growing up.
23:08
Yes, absolutely. So there was one of like the chunky park ranger.He would talk like this no-transcript everywhere.
23:23
And the park ranger's like, oh, bother, I wish I wouldn't have toclean all this up by myself. And then all these bears are justlying around hanging out and he's like, hmm, that gives me an idea.And then he goes hey, everybody, we're going to play a game. Andall the bears are like, yeah, let's play a game. And he gives allof them a bag and then like a stick with a little spike on it thatyou use to clean up. Then he's like all right, here we go. Firstyou pick it up, then you put it in the bag, bump, bump. Then youdance around, then you do this Bump, bump, bump, da-da-da-da-da.And then they saw him in the hammock.
24:04
Just kind of relaxing and they're all like wait a minute and thenthey threw all the garbage all over the place. But he found not inthe right way. He found an intrinsic motivator to make a boring ortedious or frightful task more fun and interesting. So it would getdone.
24:20 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I like that example. First of all, thank you, Tom, for that. That'sgoing to be some good sound clips here.
24:25 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
It's in the bag, by the way. Go on Google and just Google. Disneyin the bag, and that's the short. It's delightful.
24:30 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I love it. I love it and you know, honestly, the fact is, mostpeople say I don't know the subject, or it could be boring, or HRpolicies are boring. I mean, in reality, that, to me, is thechallenge. So, if you want to have a creative challenge thatstimulates, you, take the most boring material and I want you tomake it motivating and inspiring for somebody to listen to, rightthere. That's all I need. That's all I need is the creativechallenge of it for me to be excited by it, and when I'm excited byit, I can stand a chance of making you excited by it. Right, or atleast I'm passionate about getting my point across and like sayinghere OSHA regulations dictate that you need to do this to besafe.
25:10
Now that to me. I want to make that very maybe not exciting for thelistener, but I want to make sure that they hear me, and so I haveto make sure that I am inspiring and motivating in my own way formy audience, and so I have another.
25:25 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
We'll call it a trick, but, like the stereotypical, most boringform of voiceover is guiding employees through their insurance.Right, that's the stereotypically most quote unquote boring, butthis is what I do Whenever I'm tasked with that. I've done that forclients over the years. Is, I think, about the single mom withthree kids, one of which has special needs? Sure, and that mom isterrified of picking the wrong prescription plan.
25:53 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Yeah, absolutely.
25:54 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
So I intrinsically motivate myself by talking just to that singlemom, through my subtext and my tone and my cadence and my rhythm.I'm telling that single mom, everything's going to be okay, I'mgoing to walk you through this.
26:08 - Intro (Announcement)
It's a lot easier than you think.
26:10 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
We're going to go through this.
26:11 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Together. We're going to get through this and you're going to takecare of yourself and take care of your children.
26:15 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I love that you said that, because I have a lot of pharmaceuticalstuff. I read the back of labels and so I'm always imagining I amthat patient that I'm frantically looking at the back of the labelbecause I need to know what my dosage is, or obviously I'veprobably had 10 of the symptoms already and therefore I must takemyself to the hospital immediately because I'm experiencing all thesymptoms. But I say that sarcastically, but in I say thatsarcastically but in reality that is kind of me, I mean, and so Iwill read that label with that compassion and understanding thatpeople need to hear the important things and that's what makes meexcited about what I do. And I love how we've just discussed themotivation for people to because this is hard, right to make itless hard so that you can experience joy in all aspects of thiscareer, in all stages and phases of this career, because it's notgoing to happen overnight, guys. It just it does not happen0.00001% of the time. Maybe there's one person who has experiencedsuccess, but not overnight. I don't know of anyone in thisindustry.
27:18
So good discussion, bosses, don't give up. Don't give up. Motivateyourself, stick it out, do the work, understand that it's not easy.And does it get easier? I mean, I know that we discussed thisalready. Does it get easier? Not really, because I think we alwaysfind new challenges, we're always evolving, we're always growing.So keep your eyes on the marketplace, keep your eyes on how you canevolve as a business and, because that is going to help you stay inthe market, it's going to help you stay successful once you getthere. Good discussion, tom. Thank you so much for that valuableinput and that wonderful character that you I don't remember thename of the park ranger.
27:56 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
But you can find it Now.
27:56 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
I've got to find the park ranger name. All right, bosses, I'm goingto give a great big shout out to our sponsor, ipdtl. You too canconnect and network and listen to Tom Dheere like a boss, while hedoes his character impressions and myself I didn't do anycharacter. Maybe next podcast, tom.
28:15 - Tom Dheere (Co-host)
Now. You have to do it next time.
28:24 - Anne Ganguzza (Host)
Now.
28:24 - Intro (Announcement)
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